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MattersCommunityFirst seen Feb 28, 2023Last discussed Dec 17, 2024

Westhills YMCA financial support

Approved

The Westhills YMCA said it could close unless the city increased its support. The city directed an additional $950,000 for 2023—bringing the annual contribution to $1.9 million—and called for operational reviews and talks about possibly purchasing the Recreation Centre; the report estimated a 2.5% tax impact if the increase covered April to December.

Where it stands: Additional 2023 funding and follow-up work approved Mar 7, 2023.

Timeline

Every time this matter appeared in council records, newest first.

  1. December 17, 2024·Public comment
    • Joel (Langford)Opposes · Aquatic Centre purchase
      Opposes buying the centre, citing high taxes and competing needs, and recommends 25-year amortization if the purchase proceeds.
    • Vic Daniels (Gade Road)Opposes · Aquatic Centre purchase
      Opposes the purchase, citing tax burdens and operating costs, and calls for a strategic review and taxpayer referendum.
    • Brian White (Langford)Supports · Aquatic Centre purchase
      Supports acquiring the building as a significant municipal asset that could benefit Langford over the long term.
    • David A. Lott (Langford)Opposes · Aquatic Centre purchase
      Opposes the purchase as costly and risky, urging council to prioritize infrastructure, services, and established community recreation groups.
    • M. Wignall (Langford)Mixed · Aquatic Centre purchase
      Supports keeping the centre operating but opposes a rushed purchase, calling for a referendum and 25-year amortization.
    • Wendy Hobbs (Luxton Highway)Opposes · Aquatic Centre purchase
      Opposes the purchase because of its tax burden, questions council’s legal rationale, and urges consideration of other municipal costs.
    • Harold Blumenthal (Callwood)Concerned · Recreation funding
      Warns that the purchase could limit funding and space for youth sports, and asks council to find a way to fund facilities concurrently.
    • Raymond Glenn (South Langford)Asks · Aquatic Centre purchase
      Asks council to extend the decision period, hold a referendum, and let residents decide whether to purchase the pool.
    • Ian Taylor (Turnstyle Crescent)Concerned · Recreation funding
      Warns that purchasing the centre could divert funds from team-sport facilities and asks council to put the decision to a referendum.
    • Mike Morton (Langford)Opposes · Aquatic Centre purchase
      Questions the purchase process and due diligence, citing competing recreation needs and potential long-term costs for residents.
    • Pal GrangerMixed · Recreation funding
      Supports recreation but urges consultation, a referendum, and longer amortization to preserve funding for other community facilities.
    • Glenn Willing (Langford)Concerned · Aquatic Centre purchase
      Warns that the purchase would impose a major tax burden amid economic uncertainty and says continuing the existing agreement is manageable.
    • Brian Cualco (Langford)Mixed · Recreation funding
      Supports more recreation facilities but warns against sacrificing youth sports funding for the purchase, especially given growing demand for ice time.
    • Bernadette Armstrong (Rodney Road)Mixed · Aquatic Centre and regional recreation
      Supports keeping the building and pool available, while urging broader cost-sharing and a regional recreation-facilities strategy.
    • Scott Barry (Langford)Concerned · Aquatic Centre purchase
      Questions excluding discussion of YMCA operations and argues that longer amortization could free funds for other recreation projects.
    • Diana Seaton (Glenlake Road)Opposes · Aquatic Centre purchase
      Argues the current lease should remain, questions the purchase’s financial rationale, and calls for a full operational review and timely disclosure.
    • S. Ross Sander (Langford)Opposes · Aquatic Centre financing
      Opposes five-year financing and urges a referendum on financing the purchase over five years or a longer period.
    • Lisa Foxall (Langford)Opposes · Aquatic Centre financing
      Opposes five-year financing, citing missing operating and maintenance information, and urges a referendum or longer amortization.
    • W. Bowers (Langford)Opposes · Aquatic Centre purchase
      Opposes a rushed purchase, questions the assumed total cost, and asks council to obtain more information and listen to residents.
    • L. Plomp (Langford)Supports · Aquatic Centre purchase
      Supports addressing municipal asset-management costs now rather than passing additional debt to future generations.
    • A residentAsks · Aquatic Centre financing
      Calls for the project to be spread out and put to a referendum, warning that the recommended option would burden residents.
    • S. Seifert (Langford)Opposes · Aquatic Centre purchase
      Opposes the rushed purchase and five-year borrowing, arguing that funds could support other facilities and asking council to reconsider.
  2. December 2, 2024·Public comment

    Public speakers addressed concerns and support regarding the potential purchase/operation of the Westhills YW/YMCA facility.

  3. December 2, 2024·Public comment
    • Wendy Hobbs (Luxton Highway)Concerned · Langford Aquatic Center
      Calls for an operational review and resident input, warning that the purchase could strain families and leave other recreation needs unmet.
    • A residentAsks · Langford Aquatic Center
      Urges council to delay the purchase, hold a referendum, and examine the YMCA’s ability to operate the facility.
    • Kyle GrangerConcerned · Langford Aquatic Center
      Calls for operating-cost analysis and community consultation, warning that rapid spending could prevent needed sports facilities and services.
    • Galen BrewerConcerned · Langford Aquatic Center
      Supports the aquatic center but urges a slower, affordable purchase that accounts for recreation needs and existing facility shortages.
    • Sam AuerbachMixed · Langford Aquatic Center
      Supports keeping the pool but questions the YMCA’s management and asks whether other municipalities could share costs.
    • Wendy BowersConcerned · Langford Aquatic Center
      Questions the purchase’s urgency and calls for transparency, resident involvement, and an operational review before spending public funds.
    • Sandy SeifertAsks · Langford Aquatic Center
      Urges council to set aside assumptions and direct staff to prepare a proper business case and operational review.
    • A residentOpposes · Langford Aquatic Center
      Questions the purchase process and five-year repayment, and asks council to hold the YMCA accountable for its reporting obligations.
    • Mark ManaryMixed · Langford Aquatic Center
      Supports the facility but opposes the purchase on current terms without a referendum and a clear path to financial sustainability.
    • Victoria Conservatory of MusicSupports · Langford Aquatic Center
      Supports the purchase and notes that charitable operators publicly report financial information and benefit from a nonprofit landlord.
    • Glenn WillingOpposes · Langford Aquatic Center
      Calls for a referendum and warns that financial uncertainty and other public-private partnerships could burden taxpayers.
    • Lisa FoxtallOpposes · Langford Aquatic Center
      Opposes purchasing the facility now without a substantial business case, operating review, or cost analysis.
    • Diana Seaton (Glen Lake Road)Asks · Langford Aquatic Center
      Requests an operational review and business plan, and urges council to enforce the original agreement with the YMCA.
    • A residentSupports · Langford Aquatic Center
      Supports purchasing the facility to provide financial certainty and preserve regional YMCA programs, while favoring prompt debt repayment.
    • Normal JoelOpposes · Tree bylaw
      Warns that city arborist reviews could create substantial liability and costs for taxpayers under the proposed tree bylaw.
    • Wendy Hobbs (Luxton Highway)Asks · Council minutes and MIST program
      Asks where council minutes and public updates can be found about the MIST program and its youth-related concerns.
  4. November 18, 2024·Public comment
    • Derek GentSupports · Aquatic Centre purchase
      Supports continued YMCA operation and collaboration with Langford, citing the facility’s community services and lower-cost operating model.
    • Nathan MeadSupports · Aquatic Centre purchase
      Supports the purchase, emphasizing the conservatory’s music education, therapy, scholarships, and cultural benefits for the community.
    • Bev SolstromOpposes · Aquatic Centre purchase
      Opposes buying the building or subsidizing the YMCA and asks council to explain the increased lease payments.
    • W. BowersConcerned · Transparency and costs
      Raises concerns about undisclosed lease decisions, consultant meetings, taxpayer costs, and the lack of public input.
    • Lisa FauxallConcerned · Financing and referendum
      Calls for longer amortization and a referendum, citing taxpayer burdens and concerns about the contract and YMCA management.
    • L. PlompSupports · Aquatic Centre purchase
      Supports buying the facility, citing the city’s existing liabilities, the building’s asset value, and the benefits of accelerated repayment.
    • S. PlanckSupports · Aquatic Centre purchase
      Supports purchasing the building as a public asset and opposes a referendum, citing expert analysis and community benefits.
    • A Langford residentConcerned · Purchase financing
      Questions the tax-increase calculations and says the proposed five-year repayment would require a much larger increase.
    • Glenn WillingsMixed · Referendum and recreation fees
      Supports a referendum and affordable recreation, and suggests lowering drop-in fees to attract more users.
    • Arnold RossanderConcerned · Business case and transparency
      Calls for a business case comparing the status quo and purchase, and criticizes the lack of information about lease changes.
    • A Langford residentSupports · Aquatic Centre purchase
      Supports purchasing the building, citing the options and savings it could provide compared with the status quo.
    • Mark Panison (West Hills)Supports · Aquatic Centre acquisition
      Supports acquiring the land and building, citing future land-value growth and long-term community benefits.
  5. November 4, 2024·Public comment
    • Lisa Fochthal (Foxhall)Mixed · YMCA agreement, expenses, and community gardens
      Challenges the city’s interpretation of the YMCA service agreement, opposes higher travel per diems, questions garden contracting, and raises a potential Colliers conflict.
    • Steve RossanderAsks · West Hills facility purchase
      Requests a town hall and greater access to YMCA operating reports before decisions on the West Hills facility.
    • Wendy Hobbs (Luxon Highway)Mixed · Expense policy, community gardens, and YMCA
      Opposes adding dependent-care reimbursements and raising travel expenses, and urges safety planning for community gardens and regional cost-sharing for the YMCA.
    • M. Wignall (Langford)Concerned · YMCA, community gardens, and travel expenses
      Welcomes new YMCA information but questions the operator’s incentives, urges a community-garden plan that avoids nuisances, and recommends sending fewer council delegates to conferences.
    • B. Armstrong (Rodney Road)Concerned · YMCA facility and travel expenses
      Questions YMCA acquisition projections, library lease costs, facility comparisons and regional cost-sharing, and supports reducing council travel attendance.
    • Normal Joel (Langford)Concerned · YMCA purchase and travel expenses
      Questions property-tax treatment, Colliers’ potential conflict, how the purchase would affect the YMCA subsidy, and proposed travel-expense increases.
    • Fraser Johnson (Langford)Mixed · YMCA purchase and expense policy
      Questions elector approval, purchase value and omitted lifecycle costs for the YMCA facility, while supporting proposed expense increases and dependent-care reimbursement.
  6. June 25, 2024·Public comment
    • Wendy Hobbs (Luxton Highway)Concerned · 2023 annual report and public engagement
      Urges council to improve public engagement, reconsider meeting times, enforce truck routes, and give more thought to sidewalk infill.
    • Liza Foxall (Langford)Mixed · 2023 annual report
      Criticizes the annual report and council decisions on spending, housing, policing, and the YMCA, while thanking council for the new all-weather field.
  7. April 15, 2024·Public comment
    • Sandy SeifertOpposes · Tree bylaw and financial plan
      Opposes extending the temporary tree bylaw and challenges the proposed tax increase as unsupported and harmful to residents.
    • Lisa Foxhall (Langford)Opposes · Financial plan and tax increase
      Opposes the proposed tax increase, citing financial strain on seniors, renters, families, and local businesses.
    • Wendy HawesAsks · Council minutes, financial plan, and sidewalks
      Requests corrections to the meeting minutes and questions the tax increase, sidewalk priorities, and limited public input on city plans.
    • S. Roth Sander (Langford)Opposes · Financial plan and YMCA funding
      Questions additional YMCA funding, arguing the funding would add to residents' tax burden despite rising YMCA revenues and memberships.
    • L Plomp (Winfield Terrace)Mixed · Urban forest, housing policy, and financial plan
      Supports continued urban-forest planning and the tax increase, and asks that attainable-homeownership assistance include West Shore first responders.
  8. February 14, 2024·Public comment
    • TL Rankin SebastianMixed · City budget and services
      Asks about alternative fire funding, community partnerships, bylaw support for unhoused residents, staffing impacts, and supports equity and inclusion consulting.
    • Mike Morton (Phelps Avenue)Opposes · Budget spending and tax increase
      Questions travel, YMCA subsidy, consultant, event, and library spending, arguing these costs reflect an unnecessary tax burden.
    • S. Rossander (Langford)Asks · Financial transparency and YMCA funding
      Requests 2023 financial actuals, details on a $41-million property budget, and YMCA operating reports to assess continued subsidy.
    • Sandy Seifert (Langford)Opposes · Budget spending and tax increase
      Calls for lower taxes by cutting consultant costs and reconsidering the YMCA purchase, stadium referendum, e-bike rebates, and other spending.
    • Lisa Foxall (Langford)Opposes · Budget spending and tax increase
      Opposes rapid spending and tax increases, urging travel and project cuts, scrutiny of grants, and opposition to legal action against the province.
    • Ren Louie (Langford)Concerned · Tax increase and rebates
      Warns tax increases burden renters, proposes broad-based rebates instead of e-bike-only aid, and asks council to reconsider gardens and murals.
    • Mary Brooke (Langford)Concerned · Tax increase and renters
      Warns property-tax increases and rent hikes are displacing renters, urging council to account for renters with limited financial flexibility.
    • GregAsks · Tax increase and rent
      Asks when residents will receive relief from tax increases after reporting a rent increase.
    • Arnold (Langford)Asks · Tax increase
      Asks council to seek outside help, including contacting Stu Young, to find ways to reduce the tax increase.
    • Bev Solstrom (Walfred Road)Asks · Potential YMCA purchase
      Questions whether residents should have a vote or input on the proposed $39–41-million YMCA purchase.
    • Desmond James (Dornier Road)Supports · E-bike rebates and budget projects
      Supports extending e-bike rebates as affordable, healthy transportation, while questioning free-library spending and noting the YMCA purchase remains undecided.
    • Nicholas Joel (Walfred Road)Asks · Consultant spending
      Asks whether planned consultants will be local, noting local hiring could reduce travel and other costs.
  9. May 11, 2023·Public comment
    • A residentOpposes · Tax increase
      Opposes the tax increase, arguing council ignored residents and that the community is nearing a breaking point.
    • Josh Route (Naughty Pine)Supports · Budget and hot dog day
      Supports the increase as an investment in Langford and asks council to add an annual hot dog day.
    • Mike Morton (Phelps Avenue)Concerned · Budget process
      Criticizes the budget process as restrictive and unresponsive, and says council alone is accountable for the tax increase.
    • Lisa Foxall (Claire's Drive)Opposes · Budget and tax increase
      Opposes the budget and tax increase, proposing higher developer amenity fees to reduce taxes and criticizing YMCA spending.
    • Norman Joel (Welfare Place)Opposes · Tax increase and YMCA
      Opposes the tax increase, questions the YMCA purchase and operating costs, and says the city should not run the facility.
    • Nicholas Joel (Walfred Place)Concerned · Budget and tax increase
      Warns the tax increase could burden residents and urges council to protect affordability, ensure developers contribute, and improve transparency.
    • A resident (Rita Road)Opposes · Budget and YMCA
      Opposes the budget and YMCA purchase, criticizing the disbanded finance committee and warning the tax increase could force a home sale.
    • M Vickers (Goldstream Avenue)Asks · YMCA pools
      Asks whether the YMCA pools could be used for a dual purpose.
    • C Weatherston (Crusida Crescent)Supports · Budget and tax increase
      Supports the budget, saying Langford’s population and service needs make a 12.4% increase understandable compared with nearby municipalities.
    • Bev Solstrom (Walfred Road)Asks · Business taxes
      Asks how higher taxes on businesses could affect local employers, services, and prices paid by residents.
  10. May 8, 2023·Public comment
    • S. Rossander (Ravensview Drive)Concerned · Budget and West Hills Rec Centre
      Challenges the consultation process and argues provincial borrowing limits make the proposed $30 million, five-year West Hills Rec Centre purchase financing impermissible.
    • A resident (Commander Court)Opposes · Tax increase
      Opposes the 12.41% tax increase, citing its impact on residents with limited incomes and asking why reserve funds cannot offset it.
    • Sandy SeifertOpposes · Budget and public consultation
      Opposes the budget and tax increase, saying residents’ input has been ignored and the public consultation process feels meaningless.
    • Desmond James (Dornier Road)Supports · Tax increase
      Supports the tax increase as necessary to maintain infrastructure and services, while suggesting a communications role to improve responses to residents.
    • Joel WalfordConcerned · Budget and borrowing
      Questions why the city is borrowing when it holds about $52 million in cash and criticizes the budget process as lacking transparency.
    • Lisa Foxall (Players Drive)Opposes · Budget and tax increase
      Opposes the tax increase, arguing council dismissed public proposals such as raising development fees and should consider other ways to reduce taxes.
    • Patsy Hamilton (Branderson Road)Mixed · Budget and tax increase
      Thanks staff for clear budget presentations but opposes the tax increase’s impact on a senior living on a fixed income with a mortgage.
    • Christine Levold (Glenley Grote)Opposes · Financial plan and YMCA purchase
      Opposes the financial plan and asks council to remove the YMCA purchase from this year’s budget pending proper consultation and analysis.
  11. March 7, 2023· Council

    Additional YMCA funding and reviews directed for 2023

    Council directed staff to provide $950,000 in the 2023 budget for YMCA operations and to pursue reports, governance review, benchmarking, and potential purchase negotiations with Westhills.

    Decision: Directed staff to add $950,000 to 2023 budget and pursue YMCA reviews and Westhills talks.

    Passed 7–0

  12. March 7, 2023·Public comment
    • Chris Fauxhall (Players Drive)Concerned · YMCA financial challenges
      Questions the proposed 3% tax increase for YMCA funding and urges council to seek other assistance and stop divisive scare tactics.
    • John Stanus (Greystone Place)Opposes · Klahani Drive rezoning
      Urges council to take no action on the rezoning, citing flaws in the traffic assessment and concerns about the rural corridor and housing affordability.
  13. February 28, 2023· Council

    Staff directed to add $950,000 and examine YMCA options

    Council directed staff to include an extra $950,000 in the 2023 budget to support the Westhills YMCA, request operational reporting and reviews, and negotiate potential purchase of the Recreation Centre.

    Decision: Directed staff to add $950,000, obtain YMCA reports and governance reviews, and negotiate Rec Centre.

    Passed 7–0