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MattersParks & RecreationFirst seen May 8, 2023Last discussed Dec 17, 2024

Westhills Langford Aquatic Centre purchase

The City considered potentially purchasing the Westhills YW/YMCA Langford Aquatic Centre. A purchase could affect the facility’s future ownership and public costs, but no purchase details are included in the materials provided.

Where it stands: Purchase decision deferred to Dec 16, 2024; no later outcome shown.

Timeline

Every time this matter appeared in council records, newest first.

  1. December 17, 2024·Public comment
    • Joel (Langford)Opposes · Aquatic Centre purchase
      Opposes buying the centre, citing high taxes and competing needs, and recommends 25-year amortization if the purchase proceeds.
    • Vic Daniels (Gade Road)Opposes · Aquatic Centre purchase
      Opposes the purchase, citing tax burdens and operating costs, and calls for a strategic review and taxpayer referendum.
    • Brian White (Langford)Supports · Aquatic Centre purchase
      Supports acquiring the building as a significant municipal asset that could benefit Langford over the long term.
    • David A. Lott (Langford)Opposes · Aquatic Centre purchase
      Opposes the purchase as costly and risky, urging council to prioritize infrastructure, services, and established community recreation groups.
    • M. Wignall (Langford)Mixed · Aquatic Centre purchase
      Supports keeping the centre operating but opposes a rushed purchase, calling for a referendum and 25-year amortization.
    • Wendy Hobbs (Luxton Highway)Opposes · Aquatic Centre purchase
      Opposes the purchase because of its tax burden, questions council’s legal rationale, and urges consideration of other municipal costs.
    • Harold Blumenthal (Callwood)Concerned · Recreation funding
      Warns that the purchase could limit funding and space for youth sports, and asks council to find a way to fund facilities concurrently.
    • Raymond Glenn (South Langford)Asks · Aquatic Centre purchase
      Asks council to extend the decision period, hold a referendum, and let residents decide whether to purchase the pool.
    • Ian Taylor (Turnstyle Crescent)Concerned · Recreation funding
      Warns that purchasing the centre could divert funds from team-sport facilities and asks council to put the decision to a referendum.
    • Mike Morton (Langford)Opposes · Aquatic Centre purchase
      Questions the purchase process and due diligence, citing competing recreation needs and potential long-term costs for residents.
    • Glenn Willing (Langford)Concerned · Aquatic Centre purchase
      Warns that the purchase would impose a major tax burden amid economic uncertainty and says continuing the existing agreement is manageable.
    • Brian Cualco (Langford)Mixed · Recreation funding
      Supports more recreation facilities but warns against sacrificing youth sports funding for the purchase, especially given growing demand for ice time.
    • Bernadette Armstrong (Rodney Road)Mixed · Aquatic Centre and regional recreation
      Supports keeping the building and pool available, while urging broader cost-sharing and a regional recreation-facilities strategy.
    • Scott Barry (Langford)Concerned · Aquatic Centre purchase
      Questions excluding discussion of YMCA operations and argues that longer amortization could free funds for other recreation projects.
    • Diana Seaton (Glenlake Road)Opposes · Aquatic Centre purchase
      Argues the current lease should remain, questions the purchase’s financial rationale, and calls for a full operational review and timely disclosure.
    • S. Ross Sander (Langford)Opposes · Aquatic Centre financing
      Opposes five-year financing and urges a referendum on financing the purchase over five years or a longer period.
    • Lisa Foxall (Langford)Opposes · Aquatic Centre financing
      Opposes five-year financing, citing missing operating and maintenance information, and urges a referendum or longer amortization.
    • W. Bowers (Langford)Opposes · Aquatic Centre purchase
      Opposes a rushed purchase, questions the assumed total cost, and asks council to obtain more information and listen to residents.
    • L. Plomp (Langford)Supports · Aquatic Centre purchase
      Supports addressing municipal asset-management costs now rather than passing additional debt to future generations.
    • A residentAsks · Aquatic Centre financing
      Calls for the project to be spread out and put to a referendum, warning that the recommended option would burden residents.
    • S. Seifert (Langford)Opposes · Aquatic Centre purchase
      Opposes the rushed purchase and five-year borrowing, arguing that funds could support other facilities and asking council to reconsider.
  2. December 2, 2024· Council

    Purchase decision deferred to Dec 16

    Council deferred a decision on the potential purchase of the Westhills YW/YMCA building to December 16, 2024.

    Decision: Deferred the Westhills YW/YMCA purchase decision to December 16, 2024.

    Passed 7–0

  3. December 2, 2024·Public comment

    Public speakers addressed concerns and support regarding the potential purchase/operation of the Westhills YW/YMCA facility.

  4. December 2, 2024·Public comment
    • Mike MortonAsks · Langford Aquatic Center
      Requests a full cost and operating analysis and a referendum before committing taxpayers to the aquatic-center purchase.
    • Wendy Hobbs (Luxton Highway)Concerned · Langford Aquatic Center
      Calls for an operational review and resident input, warning that the purchase could strain families and leave other recreation needs unmet.
    • A residentAsks · Langford Aquatic Center
      Urges council to delay the purchase, hold a referendum, and examine the YMCA’s ability to operate the facility.
    • Harold BlumenthalMixed · Langford Aquatic Center
      Supports youth sports and the pool but urges council to consider other facility needs, consult sports organizations, and avoid rushing the financing.
    • Barb BrandtSupports · Langford Aquatic Center
      Supports retaining the pool, citing its value to families and the swimming opportunities it provides.
    • Normal JoelConcerned · Langford Aquatic Center
      Urges council to slow the purchase, spread costs, and preserve funding for youth sports facilities such as baseball fields.
    • Kyle GrangerConcerned · Langford Aquatic Center
      Calls for operating-cost analysis and community consultation, warning that rapid spending could prevent needed sports facilities and services.
    • Galen BrewerConcerned · Langford Aquatic Center
      Supports the aquatic center but urges a slower, affordable purchase that accounts for recreation needs and existing facility shortages.
    • Sam AuerbachMixed · Langford Aquatic Center
      Supports keeping the pool but questions the YMCA’s management and asks whether other municipalities could share costs.
    • A resident (Rodney Road)Supports · Langford Aquatic Center
      Supports the facility’s broad value to residents while asking what happens if the purchase deadline is missed.
    • Wendy BowersConcerned · Langford Aquatic Center
      Questions the purchase’s urgency and calls for transparency, resident involvement, and an operational review before spending public funds.
    • Sandy SeifertAsks · Langford Aquatic Center
      Urges council to set aside assumptions and direct staff to prepare a proper business case and operational review.
    • Andrew AllenSupports · Langford Aquatic Center
      Supports the purchase as financially beneficial, while expecting a thorough review of operator options.
    • S. RossanderConcerned · Langford Aquatic Center
      Requests a complete business case, operating-cost projections, and a longer repayment period before council decides on the purchase.
    • A residentOpposes · Langford Aquatic Center
      Questions the purchase process and five-year repayment, and asks council to hold the YMCA accountable for its reporting obligations.
    • Rebecca McClureSupports · Langford Aquatic Center
      Supports the purchase and five-year amortization, citing the offered price and other tenants benefiting from the building.
    • ChanSupports · Langford Aquatic Center
      Supports the purchase and recommends regional cost-sharing, sustainable fees, and performance measures in a revised operating agreement.
    • Mark ManaryMixed · Langford Aquatic Center
      Supports the facility but opposes the purchase on current terms without a referendum and a clear path to financial sustainability.
    • Liam SmithSupports · Langford Aquatic Center
      Supports the purchase, citing projected savings over the coming decades.
    • Victoria Conservatory of MusicSupports · Langford Aquatic Center
      Supports the purchase and notes that charitable operators publicly report financial information and benefit from a nonprofit landlord.
    • Glenn WillingOpposes · Langford Aquatic Center
      Calls for a referendum and warns that financial uncertainty and other public-private partnerships could burden taxpayers.
    • Matthew BroomSupports · Langford Aquatic Center
      Supports the purchase and five-year repayment, arguing that long-term community benefits justify the investment.
    • Lisa FoxtallOpposes · Langford Aquatic Center
      Opposes purchasing the facility now without a substantial business case, operating review, or cost analysis.
    • Diana Seaton (Glen Lake Road)Asks · Langford Aquatic Center
      Requests an operational review and business plan, and urges council to enforce the original agreement with the YMCA.
    • A residentSupports · Langford Aquatic Center
      Supports purchasing the facility to provide financial certainty and preserve regional YMCA programs, while favoring prompt debt repayment.
    • Normal JoelOpposes · Tree bylaw
      Warns that city arborist reviews could create substantial liability and costs for taxpayers under the proposed tree bylaw.
    • Wendy Hobbs (Luxton Highway)Asks · Council minutes and MIST program
      Asks where council minutes and public updates can be found about the MIST program and its youth-related concerns.
  5. November 18, 2024· Council

    Colliers presented information on a possible aquatic centre purchase

    Colliers Project Leaders presented information on the potential purchase of the Westhills YW/YMCA Langford Aquatic Centre.

  6. November 18, 2024·Public comment
    • Derek GentSupports · Aquatic Centre purchase
      Supports continued YMCA operation and collaboration with Langford, citing the facility’s community services and lower-cost operating model.
    • Nathan MeadSupports · Aquatic Centre purchase
      Supports the purchase, emphasizing the conservatory’s music education, therapy, scholarships, and cultural benefits for the community.
    • Fraser JohnsonAsks · Purchase analysis and referendum
      Asks council to explain the default assumption, clarify the service agreement, and hold a referendum on the purchase.
    • Bev SolstromOpposes · Aquatic Centre purchase
      Opposes buying the building or subsidizing the YMCA and asks council to explain the increased lease payments.
    • W. BowersConcerned · Transparency and costs
      Raises concerns about undisclosed lease decisions, consultant meetings, taxpayer costs, and the lack of public input.
    • Mike MortonAsks · Referendum and lifecycle costs
      Asks council to hold a referendum and consider the long-term costs of maintaining and replacing the pool.
    • Lisa FauxallConcerned · Financing and referendum
      Calls for longer amortization and a referendum, citing taxpayer burdens and concerns about the contract and YMCA management.
    • S. RossanderConcerned · Purchase analysis and financing
      Questions the default assumption and calls for a longer amortization period and a referendum on the purchase.
    • S. SeifertConcerned · Purchase process and referendum
      Calls for a referendum and criticizes the due diligence, transparency, and affordability of the proposed purchase.
    • L. PlompSupports · Aquatic Centre purchase
      Supports buying the facility, citing the city’s existing liabilities, the building’s asset value, and the benefits of accelerated repayment.
    • S. PlanckSupports · Aquatic Centre purchase
      Supports purchasing the building as a public asset and opposes a referendum, citing expert analysis and community benefits.
    • S. Gary (North Langford)Mixed · Municipal ownership
      Supports municipal ownership for accessibility and community reasons, while acknowledging differing views on holding a referendum.
    • A Langford residentConcerned · Purchase financing
      Questions the tax-increase calculations and says the proposed five-year repayment would require a much larger increase.
    • Arnold RossanderConcerned · Business case and transparency
      Calls for a business case comparing the status quo and purchase, and criticizes the lack of information about lease changes.
    • A Langford residentSupports · Aquatic Centre purchase
      Supports purchasing the building, citing the options and savings it could provide compared with the status quo.
    • A residentAsks · Legal obligations
      Asks council to publish a legal opinion explaining the city’s obligations regarding the facility.
    • Mark Panison (West Hills)Supports · Aquatic Centre acquisition
      Supports acquiring the land and building, citing future land-value growth and long-term community benefits.
  7. November 4, 2024·Public comment
    • Lisa Fochthal (Foxhall)Mixed · YMCA agreement, expenses, and community gardens
      Challenges the city’s interpretation of the YMCA service agreement, opposes higher travel per diems, questions garden contracting, and raises a potential Colliers conflict.
    • Steve RossanderAsks · West Hills facility purchase
      Requests a town hall and greater access to YMCA operating reports before decisions on the West Hills facility.
    • Wendy Hobbs (Luxon Highway)Mixed · Expense policy, community gardens, and YMCA
      Opposes adding dependent-care reimbursements and raising travel expenses, and urges safety planning for community gardens and regional cost-sharing for the YMCA.
    • M. Wignall (Langford)Concerned · YMCA, community gardens, and travel expenses
      Welcomes new YMCA information but questions the operator’s incentives, urges a community-garden plan that avoids nuisances, and recommends sending fewer council delegates to conferences.
    • B. Armstrong (Rodney Road)Concerned · YMCA facility and travel expenses
      Questions YMCA acquisition projections, library lease costs, facility comparisons and regional cost-sharing, and supports reducing council travel attendance.
    • Normal Joel (Langford)Concerned · YMCA purchase and travel expenses
      Questions property-tax treatment, Colliers’ potential conflict, how the purchase would affect the YMCA subsidy, and proposed travel-expense increases.
    • Fraser Johnson (Langford)Mixed · YMCA purchase and expense policy
      Questions elector approval, purchase value and omitted lifecycle costs for the YMCA facility, while supporting proposed expense increases and dependent-care reimbursement.
  8. May 8, 2023·Public comment
    • S. Rossander (Ravensview Drive)Concerned · Budget and West Hills Rec Centre
      Challenges the consultation process and argues provincial borrowing limits make the proposed $30 million, five-year West Hills Rec Centre purchase financing impermissible.
    • Sandy SeifertOpposes · Budget and public consultation
      Opposes the budget and tax increase, saying residents’ input has been ignored and the public consultation process feels meaningless.
    • Lisa Foxall (Players Drive)Opposes · Budget and tax increase
      Opposes the tax increase, arguing council dismissed public proposals such as raising development fees and should consider other ways to reduce taxes.
    • Christine Levold (Glenley Grote)Opposes · Financial plan and YMCA purchase
      Opposes the financial plan and asks council to remove the YMCA purchase from this year’s budget pending proper consultation and analysis.
    • Mike Wignall (Selwyn Road)Concerned · Budget process
      Urges council to improve communication and meaningfully consider residents’ expertise and suggestions in future budget processes.
    • Joel WalterConcerned · Budget priorities
      Asks council to prioritize funding the police building over the swimming pool purchase, citing public safety.